1 00:00:04,430 --> 00:00:02,180 you're listening to love advice with 2 00:00:06,289 --> 00:00:04,440 Leanne caller you're on the air 3 00:00:09,049 --> 00:00:06,299 hi Leanne longtime listener first-time 4 00:00:11,450 --> 00:00:09,059 caller why in your professional opinion 5 00:00:12,499 --> 00:00:11,460 do you never take my calls off the air 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:12,509 is this Carl 7 00:00:17,930 --> 00:00:15,210 yep it's Carl we had a few dates 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:17,940 everything was great I thought well you 9 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:20,970 know when you switch to Geico you could 10 00:00:24,050 --> 00:00:22,310 save a lot of money on car insurance 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:24,060 okay awesome 12 00:00:27,890 --> 00:00:26,130 you should call them I will Geico 13 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:27,900 because saving 15% or more on car 14 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:31,080 insurance is always a great answer hello 15 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:35,070 it's Wednesday July 19th 2017 you are 16 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:37,260 listening to inception Radio Network 17 00:00:45,529 --> 00:00:39,899 voice of the fringe majority this is 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:45,539 Carol Carl with UFO headline news earth 19 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:48,450 sky dot-org has done it again they 20 00:00:54,110 --> 00:00:50,760 promised us something wonderful to look 21 00:00:56,810 --> 00:00:54,120 at but oh boy it's time to get up early 22 00:00:58,849 --> 00:00:56,820 in fact before sunrise tomorrow July 23 00:01:01,599 --> 00:00:58,859 20th you can look for the waning 24 00:01:03,950 --> 00:01:01,609 crescent moon and the planet Venus 25 00:01:07,490 --> 00:01:03,960 spectacular in the Eastern morning sky 26 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:07,500 or if you're up before dawn say an hour 27 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:10,320 or two before sunrise then let the 28 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:12,750 pre-dawn darkness also show you the star 29 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:15,570 Aldebaran and the Pleiades star cluster 30 00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:18,240 as well although that star Aldebaran 31 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:21,119 ranks as a first magnitude star and the 32 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:23,610 Pleiades is highly recognizable for that 33 00:01:29,450 --> 00:01:26,700 dipper like shape both pale next to 34 00:01:31,399 --> 00:01:29,460 dazzling Venus thus the lights of the 35 00:01:34,550 --> 00:01:31,409 coming dawn can drown them from view 36 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:34,560 Venus the most brilliant planet ranks as 37 00:01:38,990 --> 00:01:36,689 the third brightest celestial body to 38 00:01:42,350 --> 00:01:39,000 light up the heavens after the Sun and 39 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:42,360 Moon Venus shines nearly 100 times more 40 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:44,759 brilliantly than Aldebaran which is that 41 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:46,590 bright star in the constellation Taurus 42 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:49,259 the Bull and as we've come to expect 43 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:53,040 from earth sky org there are amazing sky 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:55,740 charts available via the click of a link 45 00:02:00,620 --> 00:01:58,170 for your consultation and perusal you 46 00:02:03,679 --> 00:02:00,630 can find them later at UFO headline news 47 00:02:05,899 --> 00:02:03,689 calm and while in this case the sky 48 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:05,909 charts are designed for mid northern 49 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:08,310 North American latitudes don't let that 50 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:10,770 stop you from looking because no matter 51 00:02:14,890 --> 00:02:12,860 where you are on planet earth 52 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:14,900 simply look for the moon in the eastern 53 00:02:20,890 --> 00:02:17,750 sky before sunrise and the two star-like 54 00:02:23,950 --> 00:02:20,900 objects close by July 20th those will be 55 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:23,960 Venus and Aldebaran and Bruce McClure 56 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:26,990 who writes this says need more precision 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:29,630 well residents of the world's eastern 58 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:32,530 hemisphere Europe Africa Asia Indonesia 59 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:35,180 Australia and New Zealand will see the 60 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:37,610 moon offset to the west farther away 61 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:40,160 from the sunrise point relative to Venus 62 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:43,130 and Aldebaran we in North America see 63 00:02:48,730 --> 00:02:45,260 the moon to the east of Aldebaran July 64 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:48,740 20 people in far eastern Asia Indonesia 65 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:51,260 Australia and New Zealand will see the 66 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:54,080 moon to the west of Aldebaran on this 67 00:02:59,350 --> 00:02:56,330 same date but if you live in India 68 00:03:01,690 --> 00:02:59,360 Pakistan or Afghanistan it's possible 69 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:01,700 you won't see Aldebaran to the west of 70 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:04,310 the moon or to the east of the moon in 71 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:07,130 tomorrow's July 20th pre-dawn sky and 72 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:10,010 that's because for those areas the moon 73 00:03:15,790 --> 00:03:12,770 will actually occult or cover over 74 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:15,800 Aldebaran with Aldebaran slipping behind 75 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:18,049 the moon's illuminated side and then 76 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:20,090 reappearing from behind the moon's 77 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:22,910 nighttime side so here's the bottom line 78 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:26,390 get up early tomorrow morning see the 79 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:29,870 moon and Venus and Aldebaran into the 80 00:03:34,539 --> 00:03:32,239 bargain no not to forget the Pleiades 81 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:34,549 star cluster we don't want those Seven 82 00:03:39,850 --> 00:03:37,280 Sisters to be angry tomorrow we're going 83 00:03:40,420 --> 00:03:39,860 to be talking about the Pleiades meteor 84 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:40,430 shower 85 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:43,280 coming soon to a nighttime sky near you 86 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:45,320 and in fact depending on where you are 87 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:47,840 when you hear this broadcast they might 88 00:03:54,009 --> 00:03:51,769 be there now let's go from now to the 89 00:03:56,140 --> 00:03:54,019 future shall we here's an article by 90 00:04:00,640 --> 00:03:56,150 Elizabeth Howell written for the website 91 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:00,650 seeker calm future space colony maybe we 92 00:04:07,090 --> 00:04:03,049 should look beyond Mars to Saturn's 93 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:07,100 Titan moon NASA and Elon Musk's SpaceX 94 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:09,590 are focused on getting astronauts to 95 00:04:15,340 --> 00:04:12,650 Mars and even one day establishing a 96 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:15,350 colony on the Red Planet but what if 97 00:04:19,930 --> 00:04:17,180 their attention is better directed 98 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:19,940 elsewhere there's a new paper in the 99 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:22,039 journal of astrobiology and outreach 100 00:04:26,530 --> 00:04:24,410 which suggests that humans should 101 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:26,540 instead establish a colony 102 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:29,510 on titan that soupy orange moon of 103 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:31,430 Saturn that's been likened to an early 104 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:33,710 Earth and which may harbour signs of 105 00:04:40,150 --> 00:04:37,150 quote life not as we know it end quotes 106 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:40,160 here's a quote from NASA on its website 107 00:04:45,610 --> 00:04:43,040 quote in many respects Saturn's largest 108 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:45,620 moon Titan is one of the most earth-like 109 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:48,650 worlds we have found to date with its 110 00:04:53,140 --> 00:04:50,630 thick atmosphere and organic rich 111 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:53,150 chemistry Titan resembles a frozen 112 00:04:57,790 --> 00:04:55,010 version of Earth several billion years 113 00:05:00,910 --> 00:04:57,800 ago before life began pumping oxygen 114 00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:00,920 into our atmosphere and quotes to be 115 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:04,400 clear Titan could have microbes or at 116 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:06,760 the least chemistry that resembles 117 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:11,060 prebiotic life but it is no earth Titan 118 00:05:15,610 --> 00:05:13,010 is perpetually covered in an orange 119 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:15,620 cloud and its atmosphere is not human 120 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:18,710 friendly but Titans gravity is walkable 121 00:05:23,830 --> 00:05:21,430 its 14% of what we have here on earth 122 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:23,840 radiation on its surface is less than 123 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:25,790 that on Mars because of those thick 124 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:27,980 clouds and it offers various sources 125 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:30,320 from which visitors might generate 126 00:05:35,890 --> 00:05:33,140 energy this recently published papers 127 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:35,900 author Amanda Hendricks pointed out in a 128 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:37,250 previous book that she co-authored 129 00:05:43,450 --> 00:05:40,520 called beyond Earth our path to a new 130 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:43,460 home in the planet Titan has massive 131 00:05:47,950 --> 00:05:45,830 deposits of hydrocarbons compounds 132 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:47,960 generally associated with petroleum and 133 00:05:53,380 --> 00:05:51,290 gas data from NASA's Cassini probe has 134 00:05:56,380 --> 00:05:53,390 shown that Titan has hundreds of times 135 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:56,390 more liquid hydrocarbons than all of the 136 00:06:01,180 --> 00:05:58,880 known oil and natural gas reserves on 137 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:01,190 planet Earth that book 138 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:03,140 beyond Earth points out that people on 139 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:05,000 Titan could get energy from these 140 00:06:09,340 --> 00:06:06,800 compounds if they use a separate 141 00:06:11,710 --> 00:06:09,350 combustion source that helps circumvent 142 00:06:14,050 --> 00:06:11,720 that fact that there is no oxygen in the 143 00:06:16,270 --> 00:06:14,060 moon's atmosphere but Amanda Hendricks 144 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:16,280 new research also discusses other ways 145 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:18,830 of generating chemical energy such as 146 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:21,440 treating acetylene which is an abundant 147 00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:24,800 compound with hydrogen quote in this 148 00:06:28,990 --> 00:06:26,720 paper I dig into the chemical energy 149 00:06:31,210 --> 00:06:29,000 options a bit deeper and also look to 150 00:06:33,490 --> 00:06:31,220 alternative energy possibilities 151 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:33,500 Hendricks is a staff scientist at the 152 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:35,600 non-profit Planetary Science Institute 153 00:06:40,330 --> 00:06:38,780 by the way she continues quote my 154 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:40,340 co-author yoo-kyung 155 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:42,440 and I looked at chemical nuclear 156 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:46,340 geothermal solar hydro power and wind 157 00:06:51,370 --> 00:06:49,370 power options on Titan this paper is 158 00:06:54,670 --> 00:06:51,380 designed to be a high-level first look 159 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:54,680 at some of these topics and quotes while 160 00:06:58,780 --> 00:06:56,690 Amanda Hendricks said it's possible to 161 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:58,790 generate such energy using technology 162 00:07:03,159 --> 00:07:01,280 that we have available today she also 163 00:07:06,370 --> 00:07:03,169 noted there are ways we could get even 164 00:07:09,490 --> 00:07:06,380 more out of titans environment with the 165 00:07:11,469 --> 00:07:09,500 proper study for example more solar 166 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:11,479 power would be generated if we learned 167 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:13,010 about the capabilities of different 168 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:15,950 photovoltaic cell materials and most 169 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:17,960 importantly how these materials would 170 00:07:24,129 --> 00:07:21,620 behave on Titan hydropower would require 171 00:07:26,379 --> 00:07:24,139 better mapping of Titans abundant lake 172 00:07:29,020 --> 00:07:26,389 regions including their topography and 173 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:29,030 their flow rate even wind power would 174 00:07:34,150 --> 00:07:31,400 require some research into airborne wind 175 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:34,160 turbines but Hendricks said all of these 176 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:37,490 options are promising quote I imagine 177 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:40,220 that as here on earth a combination of 178 00:07:45,850 --> 00:07:42,889 energy sources would be useful on Titan 179 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:45,860 in particular solar energy using large 180 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:48,500 arrays and wind power using airborne 181 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:50,870 wind turbines might be particularly 182 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:53,360 effective end quotes delivered properly 183 00:07:58,210 --> 00:07:55,849 the energy would be more than enough for 184 00:08:00,550 --> 00:07:58,220 a small outpost instead of just sending 185 00:08:02,219 --> 00:08:00,560 humans on a one-shot mission to look for 186 00:08:04,450 --> 00:08:02,229 life on the surface for example 187 00:08:07,870 --> 00:08:04,460 hendricks envisions a future that could 188 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:07,880 generate power for years in one scenario 189 00:08:13,779 --> 00:08:11,570 solar arrays placed over 10% of Titan's 190 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:13,789 surface area would generate power needs 191 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:16,910 of a population of roughly 300 million 192 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:19,310 and that's equivalent to the population 193 00:08:24,730 --> 00:08:22,400 of the United States quote this is just 194 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:24,740 an initial estimate of course but what 195 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:26,690 we're talking about is something much 196 00:08:31,810 --> 00:08:28,970 larger than a short-term human science 197 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:31,820 mission to Titan end quotes said Amanda 198 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:34,430 Hendricks with NASA's stated goal of 199 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:36,159 sending humans to Mars by the 2030s 200 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:39,680 however space agencies remain focused on 201 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:42,529 Mars exploration so we'll just have to 202 00:08:48,850 --> 00:08:45,290 stay tuned stay in the loop and see how 203 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:48,860 this rolls the next headline up it's 204 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:51,500 just something we never expected to set 205 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:54,180 our eyes on here we are 206 00:09:01,060 --> 00:08:57,120 congressman asks NASA if there's an 207 00:09:03,740 --> 00:09:01,070 ancient civilization on Mars for real 208 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:03,750 that's the headline chosen by Michelle 209 00:09:09,980 --> 00:09:06,540 Gorman she writes this for Newsweek 210 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:09,990 yep that well-respected magazine here's 211 00:09:14,180 --> 00:09:10,970 the story 212 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:14,190 addressing a NASA scientist testifying 213 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:15,690 before the House Committee on Science 214 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:18,959 Space and Technology united states 215 00:09:24,019 --> 00:09:21,300 representative dana rohrabacher said 216 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:24,029 quote you have indicated that mars was 217 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:25,980 totally different thousands of years ago 218 00:09:31,790 --> 00:09:29,100 and quotes this is from a video posted 219 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:31,800 to youtube Rohrabacher continues quote 220 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:34,140 is it possible that there was a 221 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:37,620 civilization on Mars thousands of years 222 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:41,940 ago and quotes in his answer Ken Farley 223 00:09:47,180 --> 00:09:44,430 a project scientist on NASA's Mars 2020 224 00:09:49,610 --> 00:09:47,190 rover mission team corrected Rohrabacher 225 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:49,620 by saying the evidence shows that Mars 226 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:50,730 was different 227 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:53,760 billions not thousands of years ago and 228 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:55,920 he added quote there is no evidence that 229 00:10:01,850 --> 00:09:58,770 I'm aware of and quotes Dana Rohrabacher 230 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:01,860 who is a Republican by party persuasion 231 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:03,570 and the vice chairman of the Committee 232 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:06,630 on Science Space and Technology and has 233 00:10:11,150 --> 00:10:08,820 also served as a member of the space and 234 00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:11,160 Aeronautics subcommittee pressed Farley 235 00:10:15,769 --> 00:10:13,980 about his inquiry asking him if he would 236 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:15,779 quote rule that out 237 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,140 end quote the Farley's response quote I 238 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:21,839 would say that it is extremely unlikely 239 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:22,920 end quote 240 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:25,740 the communications director for Dana 241 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:28,380 Rohrabacher ken Grubbs tells News week 242 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:30,990 that the congressman was trying to reach 243 00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:33,630 a definitive answer on a question quote 244 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:36,240 he gets from far and wide presumably 245 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:38,250 because he sits on the Space Committee 246 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:41,130 and quotes ken grubs added quote it's 247 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:43,020 apparent that many of those covering it 248 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:46,200 didn't hear the link in his voice and 249 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:50,399 quotes okay that's the giggle factor the 250 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:54,000 snicker factor there it is ken Farley 251 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:55,440 was one of a few space experts 252 00:11:00,110 --> 00:10:56,700 testifying before the House Committee 253 00:11:02,300 --> 00:11:00,120 about missions to other planets Dana 254 00:11:04,340 --> 00:11:02,310 Rohrabacher inquiry came after Farley's 255 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:04,350 testimony that the fourth planet from 256 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:06,900 the Sun had lakes and rivers and perhaps 257 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:07,980 even a huge 258 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:10,980 northern ocean until about 3.6 billion 259 00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:13,830 years ago in a study published in June 260 00:11:18,110 --> 00:11:16,110 in the journal Science researchers 261 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:18,120 concluded that Mars could have had the 262 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:20,370 right conditions for life to survive for 263 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:24,090 around 700 million years between 3.8 264 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:26,780 billion and 3.1 billion years ago 265 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:29,310 scientists analyzed rocks from the Gale 266 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:31,320 Crater to discover how the planet's 267 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:33,330 climate changed from a cold one to a 268 00:11:38,690 --> 00:11:36,270 warm temperate one one in which life may 269 00:11:41,290 --> 00:11:38,700 have thrived the research shows that the 270 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:41,300 climate underwent two major transitions 271 00:11:46,430 --> 00:11:44,310 nASA has made landing humans on Mars a 272 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:46,440 high priority of its exploration 273 00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:49,170 programs under bipartisan legislation in 274 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:51,660 2010 the United States space agency 275 00:11:57,170 --> 00:11:53,610 pledged to develop the capabilities to 276 00:11:59,450 --> 00:11:57,180 make that goal a reality by the 2030s 277 00:12:02,210 --> 00:11:59,460 it's way back Wednesday we're going to 278 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:02,220 pick up where we left off last week with 279 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:04,650 part two of the story of Renato vesco 280 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:09,000 and the Nazi UFO mythos previously on 281 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:12,810 way back Wednesday thanks to our man in 282 00:12:17,990 --> 00:12:15,300 the high castle for providing this info 283 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:18,000 and tips to the Lynx we were introduced 284 00:12:25,550 --> 00:12:20,970 and introduced you to a new name a 285 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:25,560 player in early Nazi UFO interest his 286 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:26,490 name is Renato 287 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:30,060 vesko and of course Hollywood took that 288 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:33,480 theme the UFO Nazi trope and ran with it 289 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:36,450 sometimes too very entertaining results 290 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:39,690 the story of Renato vesco is peppered 291 00:12:45,650 --> 00:12:41,910 with lots of controversy some things 292 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:45,660 that don't quite jibe his resume his CV 293 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:48,350 in fact there are some discrepancies 294 00:12:54,410 --> 00:12:51,210 about his background but let's get back 295 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:54,420 to the content the meat of the story it 296 00:13:00,850 --> 00:12:57,470 was regarding specifically Foo Fighters 297 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:00,860 fireballs or in German fewer balls 298 00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:03,810 another Center in Germany that was run 299 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:06,960 by Speer and the SS technical general 300 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:09,090 staff during World War two had adopted 301 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:11,790 the idea of employing quote proximity 302 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:14,850 radio interference and quotes on the 303 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:16,950 very much more delicate and hence more 304 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:19,560 vulnerable electronic apparatus 'as of 305 00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:21,690 the american night fighters 306 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:23,520 and thus a highly original flying 307 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:26,370 machine was born this thing was circular 308 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:28,950 armored more or less resembling the 309 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:31,470 shell of a tortoise it was powered by a 310 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:34,050 special turbojet engine which was also 311 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:36,750 flats and circular the principles of 312 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:39,300 operation recalled the well known ILO 313 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:42,090 pile of hero that spelled ie 314 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:46,200 oli PIL e it generated a great halo 315 00:13:52,070 --> 00:13:49,950 legendarily of luminous flames and hence 316 00:13:55,450 --> 00:13:52,080 this object became named fuer ball 317 00:13:57,710 --> 00:13:55,460 fireball it was armed it was pilotless 318 00:14:00,080 --> 00:13:57,720 radio controlled at the moment of 319 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:00,090 takeoff it then automatically followed 320 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:02,250 enemy aircraft attracted by their 321 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:04,350 exhaust flames and approached close 322 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:07,110 enough without collision to wreck the 323 00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:10,260 radio gear it had a fiery halo around 324 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:13,020 its perimeter caused by a very rich fuel 325 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:16,200 mixture the low the some builders of 326 00:14:20,450 --> 00:14:18,030 this device hoped and their hateful 327 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:20,460 hopes were fulfilled but when the Allied 328 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Flyers not knowing the nature or purpose 329 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:24,330 of this object 330 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:26,070 notice that the fiery balls were 331 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:28,110 apparently harmless they wouldn't fire 332 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:31,410 on these enormous looking in offensive 333 00:14:36,770 --> 00:14:33,570 devices for fear of being caught in some 334 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:36,780 gigantic explosion more than one in fact 335 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:39,090 as the pilots fearfully watched these 336 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:41,490 huge lights close in they thought that 337 00:14:45,650 --> 00:14:43,770 some German technician on the ground was 338 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:45,660 perhaps getting ready to push a button 339 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:48,030 which would cause the Foo Fighters to 340 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:50,940 explode Hermann Goering inspected the 341 00:14:55,970 --> 00:14:52,650 progress of the work a number of times 342 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:55,980 for he hoped and in fact tragically it 343 00:15:00,290 --> 00:14:58,320 happened that the mechanical principle 344 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:00,300 could also later be used to produce an 345 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:02,130 offensive weapon capable of 346 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:04,470 revolutionising the whole field of 347 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:07,920 aerial warfare expressly identifying the 348 00:15:11,540 --> 00:15:09,690 reports of area lights known in some 349 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:11,550 parts of the United States Air Force as 350 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:14,250 Foo Fighters as being evidence of the 351 00:15:19,190 --> 00:15:16,530 amazing hitherto and hereafter 352 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:19,200 unheard-of secret weapon that vesco 353 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:19,650 called 354 00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:22,380 the fury ball he sets out some more 355 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:25,190 technical details and here they are in 356 00:15:31,610 --> 00:15:29,250 bullet points this object was circular 357 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:31,620 and armored you're listening to love 358 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:33,209 advice with Liane 359 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:35,160 caller you're on the air hi Leanne 360 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:38,220 longtime listener first-time caller why 361 00:15:42,049 --> 00:15:39,959 in your professional opinion do you 362 00:15:45,139 --> 00:15:42,059 never take my calls off the air is this 363 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:45,149 Carl yep it's Carl I mean we had a few 364 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:46,529 dates everything was great I thought 365 00:15:52,189 --> 00:15:50,220 well you know when you switch to Geico 366 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:52,199 you could save a lot of money on car 367 00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:54,689 insurance okay awesome you should call 368 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:55,740 them I will 369 00:16:00,319 --> 00:15:58,050 Geico because saving 15% or more on car 370 00:16:01,489 --> 00:16:00,329 insurance is always a great answer 371 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:01,499 more or less resembling that 372 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:04,889 tortoiseshell it was enormous looking 373 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:07,170 during the day it looked like a shining 374 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,689 disc spinning on its axis and during the 375 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:12,240 night it looked like a burning globe it 376 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:14,220 was powered by a special turbo jet 377 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:16,769 engine that engine was flat and circular 378 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:19,410 and it generated a great halo of 379 00:16:25,549 --> 00:16:22,290 luminous flames around its perimeter the 380 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:25,559 object was unarmed pilotless but the 381 00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:28,649 take away produces other questions how 382 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:30,839 did the fewer bald distinguish an enemy 383 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:33,300 aircraft from a friendly one how did it 384 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:35,670 stop following those exhaust flames and 385 00:16:41,389 --> 00:16:39,420 where did it go when it stopped why when 386 00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:41,399 it was travelling laterally behind the 387 00:16:45,889 --> 00:16:43,860 engines of an enemy aircraft attracted 388 00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:45,899 by those exhaust flames did it suddenly 389 00:16:51,889 --> 00:16:48,660 depart quote generally in a vertical 390 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:51,899 direction and quotes when hit and which 391 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:54,480 quote chemical additives end quotes 392 00:16:59,419 --> 00:16:56,910 interrupted the flow of electricity by 393 00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:59,429 over ionizing the atmosphere in the 394 00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:01,740 vicinity of that plane just how did that 395 00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:04,500 work how did it wreck the radio gear of 396 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:07,679 enemy aircraft which brings us to the 397 00:17:13,210 --> 00:17:10,439 original question from whence cometh 398 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:13,220 this information well several sources 399 00:17:20,029 --> 00:17:16,770 American Legion magazine amazing stories 400 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:20,039 and that pivotal article in men's Argosy 401 00:17:27,260 --> 00:17:23,520 magazine it is perhaps a conglomeration 402 00:17:29,539 --> 00:17:27,270 of non facts early fake news and yet 403 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:29,549 Arenado Vesco continues to be highly 404 00:17:35,149 --> 00:17:32,730 influential out of history regarded as 405 00:17:37,310 --> 00:17:35,159 the leading authority of the axis on 406 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:37,320 secret technological developments in 407 00:17:42,919 --> 00:17:40,380 aeronautics had readers looked as far as 408 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,929 beyond the cover of that book from which 409 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:44,880 these claims came they would have found 410 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:46,770 a substantially different version 411 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:50,310 of Vasco's authority and here's where 412 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:53,880 his biography gets wonky apparently 413 00:17:59,300 --> 00:17:57,420 there is no thing in the vesco book that 414 00:18:01,760 --> 00:17:59,310 substantiates that before world war ii 415 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:01,770 he quote studied at the German Institute 416 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:04,050 for aerial development and quotes or 417 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:06,600 that during the war he had quote worked 418 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,450 with the Germans at that Fiat lake garda 419 00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:11,760 secret installation in Italy and quotes 420 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:13,560 and there doesn't seem to be any 421 00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:15,660 substantiation for his claiming that 422 00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:18,120 quote in the 1960s he worked for the 423 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:20,580 Italian Air Ministry of Defence as an 424 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:23,370 undercover technical agent investigating 425 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:27,290 the UFO mystery instead it said this 426 00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:30,650 Renato vesco was born in aronia Italy in 427 00:18:36,530 --> 00:18:34,560 1924 a licensed pilot in 1944 he 428 00:18:40,910 --> 00:18:36,540 commanded the technical section of the 429 00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:40,920 Italian Air Force in 1946 to 1947 he 430 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:43,470 served in the epital technical captcha 431 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:46,200 mr vesco has been a senior member of the 432 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:48,510 italian association of aero technics 433 00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:51,270 since 1943 and is a student of 434 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:53,220 aeronautical problems particularly in 435 00:18:57,860 --> 00:18:55,650 the field of jet propulsion he's a 436 00:19:00,920 --> 00:18:57,870 contributor to various aeronautical 437 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,930 publications and quotes oh l says the 438 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:02,460 writer of this article there is clearly 439 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:06,330 something very wrong here born in 1924 440 00:19:11,030 --> 00:19:09,330 Vaska would have been 14 or 15 years old 441 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:11,040 when world war ii broke out 442 00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:14,520 surely by that age he had not attended 443 00:19:18,860 --> 00:19:16,860 the university of rome or studied at the 444 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:18,870 German Institute for aerial development 445 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:21,090 if he worked with the Germans at the 446 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:23,310 Fiat lake garda secret installations in 447 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:25,770 Italy why didn't those other authorities 448 00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:28,890 mention him there would he really have 449 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:30,840 quote commanded the technical section of 450 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:33,030 the Italian Air Force at the age of 19 451 00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:35,490 or 20 and to quote been a senior member 452 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:37,860 of the Italian Association of aero 453 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,970 technics at the age of 18 or 19 well 454 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,400 that would have made him thunder kintu 455 00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:46,620 for sure and surely if he really were 456 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:49,080 that remarkable that important his name 457 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:50,460 would have appeared in the index 458 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:53,010 references of at least one of the 459 00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:55,890 countless books about the war and yet it 460 00:20:00,659 --> 00:19:59,280 doesn't so who was Renato vesco and what 461 00:20:04,409 --> 00:20:00,669 did he really know about 462 00:20:06,989 --> 00:20:04,419 wartime German aircraft enter two highly 463 00:20:10,169 --> 00:20:06,999 respected Italian researchers Mauricio 464 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:10,179 Varga and Eduardo Russo and they gave 465 00:20:15,509 --> 00:20:13,210 clear answers to the questions regarding 466 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:15,519 Vasco they both knew him personally 467 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:18,970 here's what my retail Virgo says Vasco 468 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:21,730 exists definitely he's an old man now 469 00:20:27,539 --> 00:20:25,059 born in 1924 what's written about him by 470 00:20:30,389 --> 00:20:27,549 people like el Pinto who is the author 471 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:30,399 of a story we did last week about vesko 472 00:20:37,379 --> 00:20:33,609 on way back Wednesday the internet says 473 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:37,389 verga is misinformation this is complete 474 00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:40,690 rubbish vasco's introduction in the 1971 475 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:42,580 translation of his first book is quite 476 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:44,529 accurate even though he was not 477 00:20:49,499 --> 00:20:47,230 commanding any technical section in the 478 00:20:51,509 --> 00:20:49,509 Italian Air Force he was an aeronautical 479 00:20:54,299 --> 00:20:51,519 engineer and he got an interest in 480 00:20:55,859 --> 00:20:54,309 flying saucers he published several 481 00:20:58,859 --> 00:20:55,869 articles about German secret weapons 482 00:21:01,680 --> 00:20:58,869 flying saucers aviation and other 483 00:21:03,779 --> 00:21:01,690 subjects in the very early 50s he soon 484 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:03,789 became a real skeptic against this 485 00:21:11,879 --> 00:21:08,830 then-common idea of the ETH visits ETH 486 00:21:13,889 --> 00:21:11,889 that's the extra-terrestrial hypothesis 487 00:21:16,349 --> 00:21:13,899 he commented and explained some 488 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:16,359 sightings were atmospheric or just 489 00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:19,389 conventional phenomena the manuscript of 490 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:22,029 his first book was ready in 1956 but he 491 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:23,950 halted publication because he was about 492 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:26,200 to go abroad for a long time due to his 493 00:21:31,529 --> 00:21:29,440 job he came back in the 1960s after 494 00:21:33,989 --> 00:21:31,539 collecting a huge quantity of additional 495 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:33,999 material he had hundreds and hundreds of 496 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:36,129 written pages later to be turned into 497 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:39,609 three other books not translated Italian 498 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:41,470 researcher Mauricio Varga who provides 499 00:21:46,379 --> 00:21:44,169 this information said that vesco told 500 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:46,389 him that certain high-ranking important 501 00:21:50,879 --> 00:21:48,369 officials in the Italian Air Force and 502 00:21:52,919 --> 00:21:50,889 other Air Forces contributed to his 503 00:21:54,389 --> 00:21:52,929 research giving him information and 504 00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:54,399 documents when they were still 505 00:21:59,009 --> 00:21:57,070 classified vesko promised not to make 506 00:22:01,680 --> 00:21:59,019 public their names even though he says 507 00:22:03,450 --> 00:22:01,690 that most of them are surely dead like 508 00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,460 all too many of those involved in the 509 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:05,919 world of Nazi UFOs BES Co gave an 510 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:07,320 impression of authority and that 511 00:22:12,899 --> 00:22:10,450 authority was accepted without challenge 512 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:12,909 it now appears that vesko was a man with 513 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,230 an interest in man 514 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:16,720 made UFOs who was strongly opposed to 515 00:22:21,870 --> 00:22:19,570 the extra-terrestrial hypothesis Renata 516 00:22:23,970 --> 00:22:21,880 Vesco provides by giving us accounts of 517 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:23,980 the fear ball and the kugelblitz 518 00:22:29,159 --> 00:22:26,890 in his book we now know that it was a 519 00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:29,169 convincing hypothesis for explaining 520 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:31,750 away without the involvement of spaceman 521 00:22:36,539 --> 00:22:34,450 and interplanetary travel not only the 522 00:22:38,490 --> 00:22:36,549 Foo Fighter reports of which he was well 523 00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:38,500 aware but also the very physical 524 00:22:43,770 --> 00:22:40,900 sightings the photographs from the late 525 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:43,780 40s and early 50s it is unfortunate that 526 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:45,970 in seeking to use his knowledge of 527 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:48,250 aeronautical engineering to popularize 528 00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:50,830 what he apparently saw as a rational 529 00:22:55,169 --> 00:22:52,900 explanation for a body of irrational 530 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:55,179 reports and interpretations 531 00:23:01,409 --> 00:22:57,610 Renato vesco only succeeded in 532 00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,419 co-founding the Nazi UFO mythos a living 533 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:03,760 and growing belief system which for 534 00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:06,010 sheer irrationality and unpleasantness 535 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:08,679 can do far exceed anything from those 536 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:12,760 innocent early days of ufology so there 537 00:23:17,789 --> 00:23:14,830 you have it gentle Isner's the Nazi UFO 538 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:17,799 mythos and the part played by Renato 539 00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:21,100 vesko it's worth an engine search give 540 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:23,590 it a try and try as we might we can't 541 00:23:28,919 --> 00:23:25,720 hold back the hands of time which tell 542 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,929 us we got a go because that's a wrap 543 00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:31,120 thank you for listening to inception 544 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:33,880 Radio Network Power today's broadcast at 545 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:38,110 UFO Henri news.com lovingkindness take 546 00:23:41,549 --> 00:23:39,850 care of each other we're all in this 547 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:41,559 together this is Carol Carla see you 548 00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,520 okay Kevin for the grand prize of 1 549 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:50,799 million dollars what color is the White 550 00:23:59,580 --> 00:23:55,530 House I know this into this I know this 551 00:24:00,840 --> 00:23:59,590 5 seconds Oh switching to Geico could 552 00:24:02,010 --> 00:24:00,850 save you a bunch of money on car 553 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:02,020 insurance 554 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:06,400 okay judges that's true Kevin Dillon 555 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:09,809 Owen congratulations you're a winner